We started a list of schools on list serv which gave a list of programmes offered for gifted education at a few schools that we members knew of. This obviously is non comprehensive and based on members information only. I am including it again here so people can update it and with the new discussion forum style new members will be able to refer back to the information, rather than other members having to repeat the information.
Why not start a list for other locations outside Auckland. These forums are for all in NZ.
Auckland Secondary Schools
Avondale College??
Epsom Girl's Grammar
Glendowie College
Junior and Senior College
Kristin
Kadimah
Kelston Boys(Academic Institute Programme)
Lynfield College
Papakura High (Academic Institute Programme)
Rangitoto college ?
St Cuthberts
Tamaki College
Auckland Primary/Intermediate Schools
Balmoral School
Botany Downs School
Browns Bay School (GATE programme)
Campbells Bay School (gifted programme)
Cornwall Park School? (extension classes – no attendance at ODS)
Devonport Primary
Gladstone Primary (GATE – use multiple intelligences - no attendance at ODS)
(five Glen Innes schools offer the Gifted Kidz programme, I think)
Henderson Primary (gifted class for full day extension)
Hobsonville Primary (groups based on ability not age, small junior classes)
Kaurilands Primary (ODS programme)
Kohimarama School (CWEA programme)
Mairangi Bay School (moderately supportive)
Malborough Primary (Glenfield)
Meadowbank Primary
Murrays Bay School (Tall programme- Talented Learners)
Pinehurst
Point View School
Remuera Primary (GATE programme)
St Heliers Primary (ODS programme)
St Thomas School (GATE programme)
Torbay School (GATE programme)
Western Heights Primary
Bruce McLaren Intermediate (Henderson- independent learners class)
Glen Eden Intermediate
Murrays Bay Intermediate (Accelerate class)
Northcross Intermediate (Independent Learning programme)
Ponsonby Intermediate
Wairau Intermediate (supportive)
Private/Other Options
Acorn Academy (Glen Eden)
Appletree (Devonport) - Private, excellent 'home schooling styled' environment
Montessori Schools throughout Auckland, including Portland House
My children haven't attended Takapuna Intermediate but we are in zone for it so we did consider sending them there. Unfortunately the principal was very inflexible re our son's age - he has been accelerated so is younger than their strict entry age of 10.5 years. The school does offer a lot but they are very structured. My daughter has spent a year at Wairau Intermediate and I have found them to be very flexible and supportive. We will see how our son goes - his needs are greater.....
My daughter will be going to school next year and is very bright. We have an appointment to see Ted Weatherspoon next week so I can have an initial assessment. I suspect she has a very high IQ - she has a fantastic memory and great comprehension. She can be a delight when channelled and focused, but a real handful when bored!
My question - we are zoned for Cornwall Park Primary School - how supportive are they with bright kids? I'm concerned that as a new entrant she will be bored if she is with many kids who are at a l\different level than her.
We've found Newton Central Primary to be supportive. They are partially vertically streamed (classes of years 1,2 & 3 and 4,5 and 6), and have a whanau type atmosphere in which different age groups interact well.
They were happy for Caleb to attend One Day School, but didn't suggest it to us, perhaps because being a fairly low decile school (although that is rapidly changing) they were sensitive to financial difficulties.
We have a son at CPDS who was tested by an educational psychologist last year as having a very high IQ. His teacher, Special Ed teacher and Junior Principal did not think his test results warranted any special consideration or change to normal curriculum. In fact they pretty much dismissed the test altogether as not valid! So from our experience, nothing has happened or seems likely to at this stage.
We are lucky in that he is very happy at school, settled in class and responds well to the teachers. He is trying hard and doing pretty well (although I know he can do more because he does so at home - a little frustrating!).
In year 1 his class was streamed in maths for a short period. Some children are placed in composite classes, eg Yr 3/4 instead of Yr 3.
I have been told by the staff that CPDS has an unusually high number of bright students and therefore they can be catered for within the school's normal teaching curriculum.
We are generally happy with the school and have decided to make the most of outside activities to keep his little brain busy!
My son has been assessed by the George Parkin Centre as being in the 99th (1st?) percentile and has been placed on a waiting list for One Day School. My problem is that the fees may be a struggle once a place has been found for him. Does anyone have any ideas or options for him that may work as well as One Day School? I am afraid his schollwork may soon reflect his frustration. He is 6.2 years old.
Are you aware that George Parkyn has a sliding scale of fees deoending on the family income from $25-$55 per day, last that I knew.
Also depending on which area you are in there is also the Gifted kids Programme which is funded through a trust but mainly caters for just certain schools although I think it is expanding. Ph 309 1048 giftedk@xtra.co.nz. Hope either of these may help.
One Day School has a sliding scale of fees so is cheaper if you are on a low income or have other children attending. Failing that there is the Gifted Childrens One Day School based from Tamaki Intermediate which also offers a one day withdrawal class but give scholarships to parents who are unable to pay or will drop the fees to say $10 per week if that is all you are able to pay. They are specifically targeted at children whose families could not afford
to pay the fees but have a mixture of fee paying and scholarship attendees.
I have found One Day School to be excellent value for money and we have cut out a lot of more expensive extra curricula activities since my daughter started as we don't have such a strong need to look elsewhere for stimulation. Plus they are starting up a fund for families that can't afford the fees so it is possible that eventually there may be scholarships available. It has been extremely worthwhile for us as my daughters performance in regular school has improved since she started ODS.
Selwyn College runs an ALP - Advanced Learning Programme and Performing Arts Programme which can both be suitable for Gifted Students. I understand both have good reputations and excellent teachers but check it out for yourself.
I know Cornwall Park does not "allow" their kids to go to One Day School, but Oranga Primary (next district over) encourages their pupils to go to One Day School. They also have a gifted pull-out program and an arts pull-out program. They will also be a One Day School location within the next year.
In the August issue of Metro is an article about a number of Auckland high schools and what to look for when choosing a high school. It includes programmes for gifted students in its criteria.
Hi there. Like a lot of other people,we are looking at various schooling options for our 7 year old. She has just changed schools and seems to be a little happier, but in general she doesnt seem to work so well in big groups. she is also attending ods at Bayswater. (Which she loves)Im sure home schooling would be good but im not sure about that option either. I read about a school in Dvnport called Appletree school. Does anyone know anymore about this school or have any other advice. Thanks. Julie
My son goes to Appletree One day a week although I think Catharina MacNamara is now tending to take mostly full time pupils. I have been driving my son from Mission Bay to Devonport one day a week now for nearly two years. This really tells you how good Appletree is. It is a great programme similar to a home school environment and has just one class of 12 pupils aged 6-10ish. If a suitable site is found the school is likely to expand a little but it is unknown when that will be. Actually that is the only problem with Appletree in that it is hard to get in to as I believe there is a long waiting list. It is the same reason why she has a large age band and the older kids won't give it up. Appletree runs a theme type programme and different days of the week cover different focuses. The School is ERO registered so you can find and ERO report on them.
thanks Annette for the info on Appletree school. I must admit though that they are a little hard to find (in the phone book anyway) Any more advice ? thanks julie
Have you looked at Acorn Academy? My daughter (who is also 7) started at Acorn Academy this term, and its working wonderfully. Like Appletree, it is a homeschool environment (in the Principal's home) with around 18 children from 5-12 years. It offers both full time, 3 day and 1 day options, with the teachers experienced with the needs of gifted children. Its in Glen Eden which is a way out of the centre, but worth the travel.
Let me know if you want more details.
Have you looked at Acorn Academy? My daughter (who is also 7) started at Acorn Academy this term, and its working wonderfully. Like Appletree, it is a homeschool environment (in the Principal's home) with around 18 children from 5-12 years. It offers both full time, 3 day and 1 day options, with the teachers experienced with the needs of gifted children. Its in Glen Eden which is a way out of the centre, but worth the travel.
Let me know if you want more details.
Yes they are a bit hard to find in the book as most of their contacts come by Word of Mouth.
The details are: Appletree Education Centre, Devonport- Catharina McNamara ph 445 6172 or clive@appletree.co.nz
Re gifted education for boys..does anyone know which colleges provide scholarships particularly on the shore but elsewhere too ? Which colleges are sought after for gifted education? I am new to Auckland and need to get some idea of whats what.I am solo with four boys so scholarships would be necessary if i was aiming at private
Viv .... I just found your message today.... after dealing with more problems at school .... I decided to seek more answers ... One of my main concerns (and perhaps I should be writing this in the parenting section ... but it affects her life at school) is her inability to handle school . Amelia just doesnt seem to be able to work in structured environments and she defintely works better in small groups. All she wants to do all day is read ... so of course she clashes not only with the teacher but also with the students ... who for obvious reasons can't understand why she can't / won't conform. Then they tease her ... then she gets angry and irritates them and she alienates them even more. She has been attending ods for a term .... but it doesnt seem to be working (Although she loves it)... we changed schools a term ago... but that doesnt seem to be helping ... Am I being impatient or is the reality just that she cant work within a normal school environment. I am thinking about home schooling ... but maybe there are some other options ... One problem is our budget. My husband is a Primary teacher and Im caring for the little ones in our family. Even the one day school is very difficult for us to afford......I would love some answers .... thanks ... julie
Sorry about the delay to your message. I do empathesize with your struggles as no doubt many on the mailing list do. The issue of schooling is such a major one for most parents, and especially those families whose children don't conform to the norm (whatever the norm is!)
There are so many philosophies of schooling out there, and the difficulty is finding the right match for your child. So much depends on the right teacher and the Principals support of the needs of gifted children. There are local schools where gifted children are supported, and where the classroom dynamics suit the personality of the child. Yet, there are many children where the group dynamics just don't work and where a smaller group or a home school environemnt is required.
If your daughter is continuing to find the classroom situation negative and not conduicive to learning, a homeschool environment may be a more viable option. I do admire those parents that can go straight into homeschooling - it certainly takes courage and confidence if its a new educational experience. The other option is something in between like Appletree which Annette talked about or Acorn Academy. Both schools have a homeschool learning environment and offer 1,3 and 5 day options. I know what you mean about financial considerations, but it would be cheaper if you looked at a 3 day option which would cover your core curriculum areas and then the other 2 days you could homeschool at home. It would be a good intermdiary step, and an introduction to see if homeschooling would work for you and the family.
Has anyone out there ever heard of Timatanga Community School in Whenuapai. I did check out the ero on it.... it seems very flexible. I visited it years ago, when I was working for Macmillon Publishers as part of my job, and it appealed to me . It seems sort of something between a school and homeschooling. Its very small ... only about 10 kids ( I think). If anyone has any info on it, I'd love to hear it. Thanks ... Julie
Hi again, last time I wrote, I was looking at a little school in Whenuapai. Well I have done a little more research into it and decided to share my knowledge with anyone else that is interested . The main reason I looked into it in the beginning was that my daughter just doesnt like school .In fact ,Im beginning to wonder if it is causing a kind of depression, which is affecting her behavior and her responses to her peers. We have changed school twice and it doesnt seem to be the answer, so I started looking for something a bit different. The school I looked into, seems to offer something between state school and home schooling. It is state integrated, so it follows the curriculum. It is also affordable - approx $120 per year. I have been and visited it about 4 times and the children seem very happy there. There are only about 15 kids in the school and with the combination of parent help (3 hours a week) a teacher aide and the teacher, they seem to get a bit more one on one learning. They also have a lot more opportunities to play, which perhaps explains why they are so happy. Amelia gave it a ten out of ten, so perhaps for some people, its worth checking out. I live in Beachhaven and it takes me about 20 mins to get there.... but perhaps worth it , if Amelia feels like she belongs somewhere. The name of the school is Timatanga community school. I think its in the phone book. If you cant find it, I can dig up some details. Anyway, perhaps for some people, who like me, dont know what to try next, its another option. good luck........ Julie
Well, just a quick note on Timatanga school again. Amelia has been there since the beginning of this term and is a lot happier there than anywhere else. Its definetely more flexible (for those types of kids that just want to hide under the tables and read) but it also has experienced teachers and is very well resourced. So far so good ... I would definetely recommend it to anyone looking for an alternative ... (esp on the North Shore as Im looking for someone to car pool with) Any way ... if youre thinking about it.. or know of anyone with a child who is unhappy at school .. give them a call and they will send out a brochure explaining themselves
Many thanks for keeping us updated on this one. If you were able to do a brief report about the school and give us the contact details for it we could include it in our next newsletter, in case other parents wanted to check it out.
Hi Annette. here's that report you asked for .... Firstly once again the reasons I looked at the school... Amelia never really fitted in at normal school, right from day one. She naturally resists authority and would get very resentful about being excluded or teased by other children about her differences. Her first school, although very caring, didnt recognise her giftedness (although she was assessed as being highly gifted by the George Parkin Centre) And even after the assessment alluded to the possibility that they were only suggesting one day school to take our money.They were suggesting the RTLB get involved. GP suggested we look at another school which we did... but no luck there either. This school also started recommending the RTLB. I wanted to try one more thing as I personnally didnt think the RTLB would be able to help, and as I had come across Timatanga school years earlier and knew about it I decided to give it a try..... Anyway more about the school. It currently has about 13 pupils and I think can cater for about 23. It is located in Whenuapai,It takes me about 20 mins to get there from Beach haven, but it has definetely been worth it.They have a booklet outlining their philosophies etc, which they would be more than welcome to send to anyone interested.But heres a little something from it " Timatanga aims at providing a stimulating environment in which learning is self directed and personal responsibility is fostered. Each child is valued as unique and positive self esteem is paramount.It is an integrated, open plan, secular alternative,parent co operative with children aged 5-13. A full curriculum is offered in academics the arts, p.e. and social ed.. The low ratio enables each child gifts to be developed.The school is well equiped with ed resources.Timatanga believes it is important that the child enjoys his/her schooling" The contact number is 416-6000. The school does expect more parental involvement than a normal school. For eg, if one child attends the school, you are expected to do three hours parent help a week. If this is impossible, you can pay extra fees. Talking about fees, these are reasonable - approx 130 a year ( plus approx $7 a week towards cleaning or you can do approx 30 mins a week yourself) I have found that Amelia is about 100 times happier since she started this school, and would definetely recommend it to anyone who is seeking something a little bit different. Anymore questions ... just ask tahnks Julie
My son is in zone for Remuera Primary and although he turns five in October, he will start there at the beginning of next year. I understand that Remuera Primary has a gifted kids programme called GATE and I am interested to learn more about this. Sascha has been assessed by Special Education Services as being very bright (exceptional cognitive skills and extraordinary vocabulary) and in the past has displayed behaviour problems when he is not stretched. We have done our best to extend him though a variety of activities but we are concerned about him attending school as he does not 'fit in' well at best, preferring to 'hang out' with older people. Furthermore, if activites presented to him are to simple he will get 'inventive' and create his own, sometimes misleading people to think he cannot do the work. Has anyone had any experience with either Remuera Primary School and / or the GATE programme? What exactly is the programme, how is it run, etc?
Hi I can give you a few comments about Remuera primary, probably more historical and opinion only. Hopefully some of the others can comment on the school specifically as there are a number of Explorers families that have children there. My son doesn't actually go there.
Here are my "unsubstantiated" comments. I think this is probably the best options of schools in the immediate area for gifted children (although they do vary a lot). I gather Victoria Primary still has some problems grasping the concept particularly of the kids who don't present an obvious "gifted" picture. Cornwall Park is also not terribly understanding and does not allow children to go to a One Day School.
Re Remuera - it has had a good reputation for its GATE programme since Elaine Le Suer go it going many years ago. When Elaine left Ally Gibb carried on the programme and now another lady looks after it, whom I have heard does a good job. In general it sounds like a good programme, costs extra for some things, but is available.
The problem often arises is that little is provided for gifted chidren below the age of 6-7. Often getting your child recognised by the school and assisted before this is difficult. I am not sure how this specifically applies to Remuera Primary but you should ask questions around this point. They may/may not want to see an assessment.
My son was accepted for Remuera Primary and St Thomas's in Kohi and in the end we decided on St Thomas's. We have been very happy with St Thomas's as the principal is very supportive although I think the Remuera GATE programme is more advanced. Our interview with the Remuera Principal was not very enlightening for us probably as she had only just joined the school and we were asking searching questions. I have heard from others that she is OK at handling Gifted Children.
Sorry I can't be any more specific but hope some of the background helps.
Annette
President - Explorers (NZ Association for Gifted Children)
Firstly I would like to thank everyone who has posted stuff on this Phorum - I have found it more use than anything else I have tried. I am hopeful that someone out there can be of some help making suggestions on how to keep our four year old's brain occupied because when it isnt he simply becomes unbearable to be around.
Sascha attends Strawberry Fields Preskool fulltime as both of us work but he is reluctant to join in group activities. Once a week we take him to Academic Coaching in Epsom for reading lessons which are excellent, especially as he seems to enjoy the one on one contact. On the weekends and during the holidays he does abit of writing or maths, which he choses, and we are considering enrolling him in weekly Chinese lessons with Fun Langagues. He used to attend Small Poppies once a week in Henderson which he enjoyed but we gave that away when we moved because he never really fitted in with the Remuera group. We have a membership to Kelly Tarlton's and my partner David who has a PhD in marine science takes Sascha regularly. We also visit the usuals - Zoo, Motat, Stardome - and Sascha's latest favourite is to drive all the skaters mad at Victoria Park Skateboard Park.
This kid seems to require constant new input I am begining to discover that there really isnt anything much for kids under the age of about 7 years. I am wondering how other families cope! What things and activities do you people do to keep your kids contented and under control? I am prepared to pay but im running out of ideas. Anything you can suggest will be greatly appreciated as it is begining to appear that even after he has started school we have a couple more years of this to look forward to. Many Thanks!
I have always done what you are doing now. Give them lots of extra curricula activities and take them to the usual Zoo, MOTAT, Museum and so on, on a fairly regular basis. Even swimming lessons, dance classes and gymnastics give them the opportunity to learn new skills and be alongside other children their own age even if they don't want to join in activities with them. These are readily available for children from about 3 years or even younger. The art gallery has drawing workshops on Sunday afternoon and during the school holidays for school aged children. The pitch seems to be aimed more at the 7-10 year old level so can be reasonably stimulating for younger gifted kids. Also the living treasures days at the Museum are really informative and often run workshops (mini lectures with hands on activities). I am not sure that they specify ages but I have always got my daughter on them by saying she is 'quite bright and really interested in that topic so knows quite a bit about it already'. They have always been fine with that. I wished I'd tried that approach at a few more places to get her into classes at the community centers and other places before she reached the appropriate age (and consequently found them too basic).
Once they learn to read independantly things become much easier because they can read books and learn new things rather than ask constant questions. We have always made regular trips to the library but now my daughter chooses books that she can read independantly. Also once they learn to read you can stimulate them with wordfinds, crossword puzzles and those types of things if it interests them. Occasionally places like the Museum will have 'treasure hunts' where you answer questions and enter a competition so those types of challenges are great when they are fluent readers.
There is a lot of pc software around for kids and you can borrow it reasonably cheaply from the library to try it out before you buy it. The other thing I do is videotape the documentaries, particularly the wildlife ones. Most kids I know love the 'walking with dinosaurs' and 'walking with beasts' series. We also have loads of lego, jigsaw puzzles and art and craft type of activities to develop the creative/problem solving side.
Things seemed to be the easiest at about 6-7 years when they are interested in everything, can read and so do a lot of independant learning, and qualify for a lot of inexpensive workshops and programmes through the museums but are still willing to join things and participate in most activites.
Explorers caters for all ages of children but more the 6+ age group. Many activities are suited to all ages and we have a structured preschool session at least onece a term and otherwise activities are put out for preschoolers. We don't object to younger kids sitting in on the seminars/activities so long as they don't run around lots and mean they disturb the older kids. We realise that a 5 year old can be well focussed on a topic on interest to him.
These are our activities for next term that would suit a 4/5 year old. You could go to one as a prospective member but if you wanted to attend more often you would need to join. Contact me on membership@explorers.org.nz
3rd May,
A-HOWLING-GOOD-HALLOWEEN SLEEPOVER
Come along and have some fun. For those who think we are barmy, here’s the explanation. We have for the last few years had Halloween in the right season rather than the right date. We combine it with a sleepover and fireworks.
We will have Halloween games and activities-the grosser the better, fish, chickensausages, chips & salad and chips etc dinner, supper and fireworks. You can come along in costume but it’s not compulsory. We however will not be trick or treating in the neighbourhood.
Parents don’t have to stay unless their child is 6 or under. However some parents are required to stay the night. Members can elect to come along without sleeping over and go home after the fireworks.
Cost $5 per person with a maximum of $15 per family
Bookings: Erwin & Christina Neumayr at neumayr@bigfoot.com or 480-6725
Please let Erwin know if you can help by bringing a BBQ.
18th May SUNDAY 9am-2.30pm approx. (Rainday 25th May)
NIKAU CAVE TRIP & FOSSIL HUNTING
Depart Auckland: 9.00am, Arrive Waikaretu 10.30 am
Finish at Waikaretu approx. 2.30pm (or earlier if necessary)
On this trip we will really be “Explorers”. This is tried and true, tested by some of the members in January – a wonderful experience to be remembered by all. The cave is amazing with “apparently” much better formations that at Waitomo and it is a private tour for our group alone.
We are going to be joined on this adventure by Mike Eagle (a geologist from Auckland Museum) who has led many fossil hunting trips for us. There are fossils here, which he hasn’t seen so it will be new for him too. Mike will give some background to the formation of the caves and assist any fossil hunters who want to explore while others are caving. Once he has been through the cave himself of course!! There is time for both!!
Sascha is probbaly too young for the caves but he could join in fossil hunting if he wanted.
The suggested age for children going intofor the caves is 7 years or older; other activities a
Bookings with Annette president@explorers.org.nz or Ph 521 5964 Please give ages of children and whether you all want to do the full trip or the in/out by same entrance trip. Numbers are limited so if you have a change of plans please let us know asap as otherwise someone may miss out unnecessarily.
24th May,
NEW ZEALAND ROBOTIC OLYMPICS.
Suitable for all ages 6+ age group. (maybe younger if keen and well supervised)
Chris Messom from Massey University is coming along to talk to us about robotics and the upcoming New Zealand Robotic Olympics. Topics will include Solar Toy Car, Pathfinder Robot, Robot Sumo and Soccer Playing Robots.
There will be demos, discussions and videos. The Auckland regional competition of
the robotic Olympics will take place on July 11th for those that are interested in participating/attending. Some equipment is very valuable so please carefully supervise very young children and those children who like to 'touch'.
Bookings to Jenny Smith jaz1000@slingshot.co.nz Ph/fax 09 5219435 Cell 025 209 3270
28th June,
DISSECTION
Bookings: Michelle & Ross Ashby ashby.r@xtra.co.nz Ph: 579 4745
Well you, Jenny and Annette have suggested everything else available (I think) so I can't add to that.
I particularly agree with Jenny about it being easier when children can read and then self-direct more.
I home educate Jacob (aged 7), a decision we made when I was being told by a new private kindy at 4 that he wasn't being sociable, was disruptive, didn't join in with the activities, etc. My child? The one who, at Playcentre, was the life & soul of all goings-on and the initiator of so much activity?
After a meeting with the Head Teacher, I discovered that the play programme had changed during the summer hols (immediately prior to Jacob joining) and they were no longer doing the stimulating stuff I'd been told to expect. He was BORED! I couldn't believe how differently he was presenting himself in this environment. A tough lesson to learn but we headed out of there quick-smart, continued with Playcentre until he was 5 and now successfully homeschool on a fun, discovery-based, lots of outings basis.
What do the staff at the pre-school say? Do they have any knowledge of giftedness (I'd guess not if he's not into it)? Do you know what the play programme is? School options will be another matter again.
From where I'm standing, it seems that, no matter what you do extra-curricularly (is that a word?), he'll not join in activities that he doesn't find interesting at Strawberry Fields.
I don't know how it compares financially/practically, but have you considered a nanny-type arrangement where he can be doing heaps of other things outside the square (many of which you do at other times) instead of enduring the long day of boredom?
Here are some additional ideas from when our son was Sascha's age plus activities we found out about later:
Toy library (ours had borrowing on a Saturday)
Explorers library games
Sport and Leisure Learning Activities (ph 623 8212) in the holidays - a few activities for 4 - 5 yr olds e.g. Legomania on 24 April for 4-7 year-olds
Lollipops Playland
Scouting - we didn’t join until our son was 8 but there are keas usually from age 6. Offer to be a parent helper and you may get him in early. (This is a group activity but it would be worth going along and trying it.)
The Explorers pre-school information kit has a list of places to visit in Auckland and nearby.
The Kiwi Conservation Club (which Explorers has just joined) has trips aimed at 5 - 12-year-olds but younger children are welcome. These are usually on a Sunday. They have great newsletters 4x a year.
At home: cooking, gardening, cleaning, trampolining, Lego (and other construction kits - some of which are in the above-mentioned libraries), magic tricks, collecting (e.g. stamps), photography.
If I think of more ideas I’ll post them.
Enjoy!!
Audrey
I'm not really writing about St Andrew School ... jusr reminding everyone about my daughters school. Timatanga in Whenuapai (near Hobsonville). Since my daughter started there , she has been a million times happier. Another parent of gifted children who had previously tried Kristen and then homeschooling, has also enrolled her children and is extremely pleased with the result. Her 8 year old daughter cant thank me enough for directing her to the school. I found my own daughter wasnt only bored at school , but was suffering from extremely low self esteem ... this was also contributing to her behavior. Her behavior and self esteem are well on the mend. There is so much flexibility at her new school. At present she has chosen to study sharks and seems to have become a walking shark encyclopedia. Children are always interested in learning if they have some input into what they are studying. It has been great to see. I think this school would be great for most boys as many boys seem to struggle in normal schools. Anyway, once again I'm recommending it. thanks .. Julie
Hi Brigid
I'm trying to track down Brigid and Phil Lyons who I knew in the 80's. You have the same name...
If I've reached the right person then "Hi, how you all doin'...I'd love to hear from you"
If it's the wrong person then "Whoops - and sorry to trouble you"
Dear Julie
Thankyou for that running commentary and the information about Timatanga Community School.
I also have a daughter who sounds exactly like you own, and I espeacially related to the becoming more and more excluded and the depression. It is very hard to watch your child not fit in and then not cope with it.
Anyway we are in the process of moving to Auckland in the hope that we can find a more supportive school environment, we have been living in the North and my daughter is now 6.5 years and truely miserable some days about her situation, we found the small rural Northland school a nightmare. Needless to say we are staying in Auckland and trying to find both accomadation and a school, due to the zoning in Auckland,
I feel like I am going completly mad some days as it is very difficult to get the right information, as your daughter sounds like the mirror image of mine stumbling across this web sight has been amazing, I will definantly check out this wee gem of a school, after all we all just want to see our kids happy and getting on with life. I had been concerned as to how she would cope with the large quantities of children that are in these city schools.
So thank you so much, I wish you and Amelia all the best.
KInd regards Ruth and Isabella.
I cannot send an e-mail address as we are staying at a friends house and I am using their computer.
Does anyone know which schools still have streaming in central and west Auckland?
Also I must say re the list at the top that Kadimah college is actually a primary school not a secondary school. It is a private jewish school where they learn hebrew but your child does not have to be jewish to go there.
For those of us who can't afford private schools I would appreciate any information on schools that still have streaming.
One Day School venues can be found at the George Parkyn Centre website. Waikowhai Intermediate is a venue for the Gifted Kids Programme - another one day provider.
It would be interesting to see schools listed which ran their own programmes, either in addition to allowing children to attend ODS or GKP or instead of.
In my area, Somerville Intermediate School in Howick, Auckland, is now offering an excellent programme for their gifted students, based on Bett's Autonomous Learner Model, and also allow attendance at ODS.
Cockle Bay School, also in Howick, has this year done away with its policy of grouping gifted students at each year level in what they called 'Lead Classes'. One presumes that they have gone back to withdrawal groups for different areas and the gifted kids shared out among classes. I personally think this is a shame, as my older daughter went through there in the days of withdrawal groups and 'pepperpotting' of the gifted kids and my other two were in 'Lead Classes' - the latter was infinitely superior for gifted kids. Same old story I think - it took one passionate teacher to make real progress in provision for gifted kids, but once that person left it didn't take long for it all to fall apart.
Yes, Somerville's programme is 'Channel 50' - my daughter was in the programme last year and my son is in it this year. Both were ODS students also and found it compared well. My daughter attended ODS and did Channel 50 as well. After seeing how well Channel 50 worked last year, I withdrew my son from ODS this year and he is finding that he doesn't need ODS anymore as school is meeting his needs so well. In addition to 'Channel 50', my son's teacher this year is consciously looking for opportunities for him to use his talents, eg he is also in the Future Problem Solving team and debating, has been given extra-curricular opportunities in performing arts and because he is so good at ICT, is the class ICT helper, which he loves. He is in an appropriate level maths group - he's well above average in maths, but not one of the top kids - his friend (also ex-ODS) is in the very top maths group and they are doing college level maths in Year 7.
One thing I would say is that if your child is at this school, you do need to make sure you communicate with the teachers about your child's ability, especially if they do not do so well in standardised testing and may slip below the radar. Generally, however, the GATE teacher there is doing her best to ensure that she does identify all the gifted kids and they have educational opportunities to meet their needs. She is passionate about gifted kids and has made a huge difference since she arrived a couple of years ago.
(By the way, the 'Channel 50' name came from the Discovery Channel on Sky - but now that is channel 73 I think!)
Does anyone have any update on remuera primary school and their gifted program and what they offer? I am also interested in their attitude to advancing children ahead of their age.
Hi Rob, I had a gifted and learning disabled child at RPS two years ago and currently have one in year 5 who is a bit different. Rps is a decile 10 school with a lot of demands on its discretionary funding. The school donation is $425.00 Activity fees are on top of this. The Gate progame is good when it is offered but tends to be limited by the usual stuff, financial and available teachers. My perfect pick would be ODS as well, if you can afford it. Be careful though, I had trouble getting the school to agree to let my daughter go. They told me they didn't think it was appropriate for her. Because of her particular mix of dis/ability the GATE programme couldn't really cater for her. I pushed on and luckily my instincts were right. I would be happy to discuss this further off-forum as I don't think it is useful to go into too much detail here. We've had some 'interesting' times at RPS but by and large it is a great school with excellent teachers and most children are happy there. I would definitely ask questions at the interview if you have one (I don't know if you are in zone?) Feel free to email me if you want to discuss this further
Victoria
HELP! We have a 9yr old daughter who needs an alternative school after bad experiences at both state and private schools, where her needs were not met. We have issues giftedness, dyslexia, dygraphia and high energy and distractredness when bored. We have just returned from Europe/US after 1 yr with the children, and no formal schooling, although 13 countries and cultures counts for alot! We are looking at the above options. I would be interested to know of anyone knows if her needs can be met through their experience at the above schools please.
Re: ?? AppleTree, Montessori Parnell, Home Education
Author: Annette
Date: 28-07-08 10:52
My personal experiences of Appletree through my son are a long time ago now but it is the same lady running this school and she runs an excellent school which particularly copes with children who have issues with giftedness and they don't get bored. It is a small caring environment and the children can work at all different levels easily. A good varied interesting programme without continual repetition and waste of time with administration issues. Definitely worth meeting with Catherina to discuss.
is your daughter year 6 this year? Are you looking for the Year 7+ option? If you do I can strongly recommend Mt Hobson Middle School at Remura Rd. Principal and teachers are just wonderful and can offer great educational experience. Our son has had bad experience with other schools as well (private and public) and is absolutely enjoying this school. Lots of friendly kids with issues of their own but all getting along together well and are catered for. You can contact me offline if you wish to discuss this further
I also give Mt Hobson Middle School the big thumbs up! Wonderful place - great staff.
Of all the schools my daughter went to (and there was a few of them) none was a safer place. If I was in a position to, I wouldnt hesitate to send my grandson.
hi There
I have just scrolled through this chat room and find a lot of overlapping common parental concerns .
some of you may be interested in some one to one work with your child to improve their educational performance.
I am an Educational Kinesiologist and Brain Gym instructor ( of 18 yrs ) and also recently ex Resource teacher of Learning and Behaviour in Northern Bays area of Auckland ) .
I work one to one in a clinical situation and have lots of strategies for integration of brain and body to support improved focus, attention, whole body coordination (sports, and issues such as clumsiness, eye hand coordination) and fine motor coordination as well as dealing with emotional issues and self belief issues .
CHildren usually start to make positive changes after the first sessiona and a simple exercise programme is offered for home play . Bright kids love the changes and are usually really interested in getting their brain and body to work together better especially when we talk about what is happening. Real metacognitive approach.
for further info go to www.braingym.org.
Please feel to make an inquiry
Janet
Hoping to move to North Island - preferably Far North with 10 yr old daughter (presently Grade 6 in Canada). Considered by all teachers to be bright though challenging and in 99.9 verbal (i.e. a pain in the proverbial).
Assessors (4yrs and 10 yrs suggested more challenging academic schools); schools suggest a straight-jacket.
Becoming a classic underachiever now as "nerds are not popular" and she is keen to "find/be a friend".
Any guidance appreciated for North Island particularly or anywhere in NZ.
Maybe eventually NZAGC can eventually construct their own Challenge Award (similar to NACE UK's challenge award programme).
Parents could fill in a table of their experience of certain schools ...
http://www.nace.co.uk/nace/challenge_award/images/dcfs_nqs_in_gifted_talented_education.pdf
which would make finding a school so much easier.
I would be willing to assist (as I am sure would many other parents) to make it easier for coming generations.
Many thanks.
I can strongly recommend Mt Hobson Middle School here in Auckland Y7-10 (www.mthobson.school.nz). After trying numerous schools (public and private) our gifted son started there last year and we are absolutely triled.
The school fosters discussion-oriented small classes taking each students strengths and weaknesses into account. Curriculum is project based allowing kids freedom to learn however works best. The teachers work to teach the concepts and applications of the subject, rather than requiring excessive busywork.
The school is nurturing and caring, but at the same time, it is challenging.
It is a place where acceptance is genuine.
If you want to chat outside this forum send me an email
We are desperately wanting up to date information on primary schools that support gifted kids, and preferably those with the added 'bonus' of a learning difficulty too.
We are planning to move, and will base the location around a suitable primary school.
We are particularly interested in the North Shore and Hobsonville/West Harbour areas.
Avoid Greenhithe! My very gifted son spent a few years there being promised one "extension programme" after another, with absolutely nothing constructive ever happening. He went from being a happy 6 year old who liked school to a highly critical and behaviourally challenging 10 year old who hated it, loathed his teacher and saw right through the hypocracy and "busywork" there.
To avoid my continued reading of ERO report after ERO report... does anyone know if there is somewhere to find a list of Auckland schools that have been reported as supportive of gifted kids? (other than this forum, which has a good 2002 list). My daughter turns 5 in July, and is 2E. From reading threads on this forum about schooling experiences, I'm getting more nervous by the day about trying to select a school!
Thanks.
Re: ***WANTING 2008 INFO ON AUCKLAND PRIMARY SCHOOLS***
Author: Sue
Date: 28-01-09 23:37
Hi, BBSM.
No such list that I know of. The forum is your best bet for feedback about schools. You could perhaps check the TKI site to see which schools have been involved in TDI (talent development initiative) projects, funded by the Ministry of Education, as one would expect these schools to be reasonably committed to gifted ed - www.tki.org.nz/e/communities/gifted/ - though from memory most of these were secondary schools in the second round of funding .
Even if there was a 'list' of schools it is not likely to be very useful. After all, who would make the judgment? Just because a school has all the paperwork in place, it doesn't mean that something is actually happening in the classrooms for G&T kids. You could have a school that does have a great programme up and running in some classes but your child could still end up with a teacher who hasnt 'bought into it' or is playing lip service or who simply doesnt connect with your child. I dont think there is one single school where despite the best efforts of the key teachers all gifted students are having their needs met. It is very problematical!
When I am talking to parents about choosing a school, I suggest that you visit and ask the Principal a few questions - this is far better than relying on advice from other parents s its so often the individual teachers that count rather than the whole school.
Often its not actually the answer to the questions that is the key - although that obviously helps - but it is the attitude of the Principal that will give you a feel for what is happening. A friend of mine who wanted her son to change schools went to one school where the Principal obviously felt quite threatened and hurried her out as fast as he could. At the next school, the principal spent a long time with her, answered all her questions then took her to meet some of the teachers - guess which school they chose? Her son is very happy!
Some questions you could ask (depending on your level of confidence I guess as some are a little provocative but they sure will give you the Principals stance on GATE.
Can I see your school policy or procedures for gifted and talented students? All schools are required to have these and at a minimum they should include a school definition, identification procedure and guidelines for in-class teaching.
How do you identify gifted and talented children?
What happens for gifted children in each classroom?
What provisions/programmes do you have outside of the classroom?
How do you encourage parents of gifted children to become involved in their education?
What happens if a teacher is not meeting the needs of a gifted child and this turns into a conflict?
How would you celebrate giftedness?
My daughter is offered a place in Dio and she will start school in term 3. We actually hope to put her in St cuthbert's as this school is the leader for the gifted programme (according to my reserch..) and we believe that she will be thrived in this school but unfortunately we were just offered a place on the waiting list.
Our plan is put her in Dio while waiting for a place in St Cuthbert's. But recently I was told that Dio is not a good school as before and I should put my daughter in ACG Strathallan Papakura instead !!!
I can't find much information about this school so could anyone help please ......
Re: any information about ACG Strathallan in Papakura
Author: Sue
Date: 28-02-09 10:31
Your best bet is to go and see AGC Strathallan - ask them directly how they cater for intellectually gifted children within their school and get specifics from them. From conversations last year with a former Strathallan teacher who had only recently left, my understanding is that there is little going on there for the intellectually gifted and even things like identification processes are not properly in place yet. But that was last year and things do change, sometimes quite rapidly if there is a change of personnel, so the only way to really know what is happening there at present is to talk to the school.
St Cuths and Dio are not your only other options - have you looked at Parnell College or Gladstone School? Parnell is private, Gladstone is a State school - both have a good reputation for catering for their gifted kids. Gladstone, however, is so popular that their school zone is rigorously enforced, so if you are not in their area there is not much hope of getting in. (Mind you, people move house to be in zone there, much like Auckland Grammar!)
My child was offered both places in Diocesan ("Dio") and St Cuthbert. After much research and talking to parents and staff, I choose Dio for my girl's junior school. Both Dio and St Cuth are very good schools but you may consider the following before coming to your own decision as every family (and child) is different:
Facilities: Dio is all modern buildings and all teaching facilities. It had been rebuilt within the last 10 years. St Cuth is a bit old and dated. Dio has just completed its 18 million swimming pool complex and more works are starting this year which include an all weather hockey turf and underground car park. A new 1,800 seats performance centre will also be built in the next couple of years. All these enhanced the school community spirit immensely which I personally believe is vital for the growing of a gifted child.
There is no major works planned for the St Cuthbert to revamp existing already very old classroom (though the school has a new block which housed the library and administration) except that a $3 miliion performance centre will be built soon. However, another source told me that it has encountered resouce consent problem with the neighbour though.
Management: St Cuthbert has a very good school senior management structure. They are stable and have good quality control program. As the school are run under very capable and tight management, I found their senior staff not as approachable as you would have preferred and can sometimes has the 'we know best' thinking. For teachers, they are
all very capable and open for communication. Dio has suffered from relatively 'old and conservative' managements of its past headmasters in both Junior and Senior School. This may be the reason that the reputation had dropped a bit in the last couple of years. Interestingly, since the school has implemented a newer generation of management last year (2008), the school has improved remarkedly as evidence by the huge improvement in external academic results and no. of scholarships. I spoke to a number of parents and they all reported positively. The new principals in both junior and senior school should bring futher improvement to the school.
Academic: Both are excellent school, with the St Cuthbert being the top school nationally in the last couple of years. Dio is the runner up. However, one should also note that St Cuthbert is 100% NCEA and Dio is dual pathway, you can either choose NCEA or IB (International
Baccalaureate) Diploma. IB is generally to be seen as the more 'challenging' qualification, arguably more than Cambridge Exam (I have been through the Cambridge system myself and get extremely good grades, but I found Cambridge not challenging enough because if you know 'how to take exam', there are ways to cramming through and take advantage of the system, personally I will avoid schools running entirely on Cambridge system, theer are numerous articles on the Internet comparing the pro and con of IB with Cambridge Exam). A number of St Cuthbert's senior management are on the advsiory board to the Governemnt on NCEA, so if I aim for NCEA qualification for my children, St Cuthebrt will be my choice. However, due to parents pressure, St Cuthbert will start offering IB in 2010 (first exam in 2011) in addition to NCEA. For Junior school, Dio has already running IB in Primary Year (PYP). This is one of the main reason why I choose Dio over other schools. St Cuthbert currently runs the primary years with Reggio Emilia approach in Y1-4. From my personal experience, the Reggio approach may looks good on paper but it is not easy in real life. It is notable that the new headmaster for Dio (senior school) has extensive international experience in setting up IB international school overseas, this may give Dio the advantage in IB environment. There is no plan for St Cuthbert to implement IB Primary Years in the St Cuthbert junior school.
Sports/Arts: Both school are very good but I believe Dio has a slight advantage in sports, possibly due to the school's culture and emphasis in sports and arts.
Parents/community: Both are very good private girl schools and parents are generally from very well off family. However, St Cuthbert are generally more from 'elite' family with Dio have a mix of both 'elite old school' plus working professional. In St Cuthbert (Junior school) interview, the school pays more attention to my business background and social status, than to my child. In Dio, they are more interested in my child's behaviour and academic ability than to how my social status. I feel more comfortable with Dio's caring and supportive environment. People often say St Cuthbert's parents are more 'competitive', and I have no interest in 'competing' with other parents in terms of status and worldly goods. But to be fair, all schools will have 'snobby' parents anyway, it is only a matter of degree.
Religious character: Being an Anglican school, Dio has a stronger Christian based teaching in school. 2 chapel services per week for students. The school church is over 100 years old. Spirituity atmosphere is evident in Dio. St Cuthbert is not a church based school and its chapel was only built in 1992.
Gifted / Enhanced Learning: Both schools have very good programmes with Enhanced Learning and Gifted Children.
In summary, both are very good schools and you can't go wrong by going for either one of them. It is only a matter of personal preference and I try to avoid labelling either one of them as the 'best school'. Education for your child is not a 'champion board' and I will go for the school that will develop my child's 'emotional intelligence' and develop her to an all-rounded person (and happy). I will suggest you to go for the Open Day and talk to the girls from both schools. From my expereince of going to the Open Day for the last 4 years (and speak to the duty girls there on the Open Day), each school's girls will exhibit quite a different character/style which is a reflection/products of each school. I choose the one that I feel comfortable with and in align with my life philosophy.
I hope the prospective parents find the above comment useful.
I am curious to know how you got on. We pulled our daughter out of Dio this year and she attends ACG Parnell College. She is far happier as she is amongst like minded chidren. She is been challenged academically far more than she ever was as Dio.
I completely understand that it comes down to the individual teacher/child relationship. All I was hoping for was a starting point! Having since read through many EROs and as many matching school websites... I can report it is jolly difficult to find out much information.
I have had a meeting with one principal so far, and although the school's ERO was excellent (including specific mention of provisions for gifted kids), her attitude gave me more cause for concern than anything else. She even stopped herself from saying "gifted" at one point, and said "capable". I was only asked one question through-out the entire meeting.
Perhaps I am expecting too much for year 0, but I can't help thinking that getting the right START to schooling is really important. I worry that if my daughter isn't stimulated, supported (she is 2E), or worse, is "shut down" for lateral thought... that she will simply lose interest and withdraw into herself.
Is it usual for extension programs to not be offered until year 3?
I guess I now need to meet with some other local primary principals and compare attitudes.
If anyone has/had kids at a Glenfield primary... I'd welcome your comments.
Hi,
Does anyone have any experience with Pakuranga Intermediate? My son starts Year 7 next year and we live in East Auckland. I noticed on the website that they have IEP's amongst other things. I have never heard or seen on other schools even mention the word (probably partly in fear of having to actually do one), so am interested in hearing any feedback anyone has about the school.
Thanks
Can't make any comment about Balmoral, but it's worth asking them how they cater or provide for their gifted children - it isn't actually necessary to have a 'programme' as such if there is excellent in-class differentiation and cluster grouping.
I just e-mailed the school asking them about how they handle gifted child.
I've got a job in Newamarket area and planning to move from Dunedin early next year. My son and my wife will be joining there from Malaysia. I have decided where I should take residence until I can firm-up the school. Based on Stephen's list, I narrowed down to Gladstone, Remuera and Balmoral.
Can anyone advise on which would the suitable school?
Re Gladstone - they seem to have turned away from their previously great approach to gifted. They changed principals a couple of years ago and are now or have phased out their former full time "enrichment" class - which was fantastic for my child - and the teachers who were teaching that have left. Don't get me wrong, still an excellent school in many respects, but definitely less focused on top end than it was.
On the other hand, Gladstone does now allow attendance at ODS which previous principal didn't.
I visited all 3 schools yesterday just to the physical infra of the schools and read the ERO. I incline towards Gladstone and Remuera. Can anyone please provide an update on Remuera Primary.
Hi Muru. I have 3 children at Remuera Primary, the eldest of whom is gifted with mild dyspraxia and some Aspergers traits. We were told via a phone call from the principal on my child's first day of school (we moved into the area at the beginning of Year 4), that they would NOT be giving approval for One Day School and did not support it and that IF my child met their criteria for the (one session a week) gifted classes, then that would be all they would need. The principal has now changed as has the Gifted and Talented Education (GATE) coordinator, however their approach is the same. After two terms I was determined that my child would go back to One Day School and they reluctantly agreed, but only if it was a Friday, when there are fewer academic subjects taught (their thinking appeared to be that my child would miss things like assembly and music and art and sport, but my child does not care about those things).
Because my child has other issues and the giftedness is not always apparent in class, it took 3 terms and an excellent ICAS exam result before they would agree to place my child in a gifted class. They then proceeded to make it impossible for me to continue with One Day School - they said their policy was to NOT catch up work that was missed - to the point that if a notice went home on a Friday, we never got it, and if my child missed preparation work for a new topic, too bad, they were left to struggle.
If your child is globally gifted and has no other issues at play then Remuera Primary will probably work very well. But for those with other special education needs it is exhausting to always be battling for them - their gifted intellect and their special educational issues cancel each other out, and the child seems average - which means neither need is catered for.
My advice would be to ask to meet with the Special Education Needs coordinator and also the GATE coordinator and ask them to be specific about what they can do for your child. Good luck - you may not need it - all our children are special and they are all different and at the end of the day, the relationship with the teacher is the most important thing.
Hi, We're currently at Gladstone. We also attend ODS for the past 2 terms, we will be in Year 3 in 2011, which I have had only encouragement from the school about. They no longer have a GATE programme or Enrichment programme.
Also re Gladstone - they have at least one teacher in the senior school who we have reason to believe can be quite hostile to G&T esp if quirky/non-sporty. Contrariwise the fabulous teacher who taught their Yr 6 enrichment class has just left, and the also fabulous previous head of G&T has also just left. I think that tells a story.
I am also looking at the following schools and will be contacting the school when the school re-opens but would appreciated parents comment on them:
1. Victoria Ave School, Remuera
2. Cornwall Park School
3. Epsom Normal School
4. Kohia Primary School
5. Mt.Eden Normal School
6. Parnell Primary School
Hi Muru, we had a very similar experience with Remuera Primary my daughter now nearly 16 is dyspraxic and gifted and the principal and staff were very unhelpful and tried to prevent her attending ODS. She didn't qualify for any gifted extension, such as there was, because she has considerable difficulty writing. It's depressing to read that this is still going on there, even under a new principal, perhaps the BOT is the problem. And presumably the decision to do away with the MOE gifted advisors is affecting the decision they make in turn. We are still struggling with ignorant and unhelpful teachers even now and are looking foward to leaving school behind in a year or two. The only advice I can offer is to keep encouraging your child to succeed and to feel good about themselves. Mine eventually came to the conclusion that her school was stupid, not her and began to focus on getting what she wanted out of it and not allowing the school culture to make her feel inadequate. Dyspraxia seems to be very little understood in NZ schools.
just adding - for those who are distraught and desperate (because I have been)- there are some advocacy links on the auckland dyspraxia website. For example : http://www.aucklanddyspraxia.org.nz/information.php?id=advocacy.html. There is more out there than there was when we entered the education system, it can't hurt to ask. Don't think a private school will be any better by the way, we went private in desperation and I don't think it was worth it. Terrible PE teachers!
My children attend Victoria Avenue Primary and one day school. Victoria Avenue offers enrichment/extension classes for some levels in some subjects, based on teacher selection of students. This may require evidence of working at a high level in the normal curriculum and evidence of a work ethic. Not obviously keen on advancement.
May I also suggest Ficino School in Mt Eden. There is no specific GATE programme but all children are given every opportunity to reach their potential. Last year, the year 7 & 8 students went on a 20 day trip to Florence, Rome and London. The children performed at the Theatre Royal in London with their sister school St James London. They also participated in a performance workshop at the Globe theatre. Through out their trip in Italy the travelling teachers conducted lessons within the walls of some of the greatest learning environs. The strengths of the school are literature, mathematics and science. There are two very unique teaching propositions at Ficino, one is the teaching of Sanskrit an ancient Indian language which some say is the foundation of all languages. My son who has struggled with his native English blossomed when taught this language. The other uniqueness is the pauseevery child must pause for a minute prior to every lesson. This is a blessing for all the students in the classroom. Our lives are very busy and our childrens minds are sometimes overloadedthe pause used in education goes a long way to help prepare the student to receive information in the classroom. Towards the end of last year the gifted and talented children in mathematics were given several lessons by a visiting Professor in economics from Belgiumthe subject was Russian mathematics. As parents we sometimes forget to acknowledge when our schools and teachers get it right. Thank you Ficino for delivering an education system which is working particularly well for our gifted. I like to think you are setting the stage for some of our greatest scientific and literature minds of the future.
